Republic Assignment 3/21

In your opinion, does injustice pay? Why or why not? What would Socrates and/or Thrasymachus say in response to your answer?

Injustice does not pay, because when unfairness happens and you feel cheated and then you don't feel motivated to do it. You feel like you are going to get cheated again, so why try. People give up on things because they feel cheated, but this affects society because society comes down. Socrates believes in justice, he does not feel injustice pays. He went against what other people said because he went around telling them what he felt was actually right and true. Injustice affects others. We live in a society where we have to cooperate, doing injustice to others will come back around.

Republic Assignment 3/20

Question: Notice that our reading on Thrasymachus is divided into two parts. The first part is entitled – “First Statement and Criticisms”. In this first part, what are Socrates’ main argument(s) against the idea that justice is whatever the strong (i.e. the government) says it is?

What he is trying to say is that the people in power are the ones that always say what goes and doesn’t. Say If a leader gives a bad order and damages his people and its against the law but since he is in some one in power and he says it ok then its ok.

Question: In the second part – “Second Statement and Final Refutation” – what are Thrasymahcus’ two main points and what are Socrates’ two main points in response?

The 2 main point that Thrasymarchus’ was talking about was “'justice is the interest of the stronger party' and that injustice is the interest and profit of him self

Question: In your opinion, is it ever right to harm somebody? Why or why not? What would Socrates and/or Thrasymachus say in response to your answer?

There is always that one person that is looking for trouble. If that person starts doing thing to you and throws the first punch I think you have the right to hit back. Maybe there is someone that talks about you and just pushes it too far and all that rage you have inside you will won’t to take out on the person that is causing it. So I do think that you should have the right to hit some one only if they do something to you first.

Republic Assignment 3/18

I. Answer the following questions – short answer (about a couple of sentences or more)


Question : Who are Cephalus and Polem

Cephalus is the dad and Polemarchus is the son.

Question: What is the profession of Cephalus?

Business

Question: What was Cephalus doing right before the discussion that took place?

He was doing some sacrifice

Question: According to Cephalus, what are the virtues of old age?

Knowledge of what is ahead and experiences that the young people have not yet had.

Question: What are Cephalus’ view of justice?

He thinks that justice is paying your debts and not lying.

Question: What is Socrates response?

Socrates gives a short story saying some of its flaws. He says there are times where you do not pay your debts and you lie.

Question: Do you agree with Cephaus or with Socrates? Why? If you don't agree with either of them, write about which one you think makes the stronger arguement - even if you think it is not "right" - and why?

I agree with Socrates because what he said was true. He said thatpeople where going to be able to lie and not pay what the owe. Knowing that not every one is a good person not every one they are going to lie to people.

Personal Reflection 3/16

To me a friend is some one that sticks with you till the end. Some that you have fun with. It’s some one that helps you with some thing when you need it. I treat my friends the same way they treat me. It’s some one that helps you with some thing when you need it. If they being mean and other things I can not say I will be the same way to them.

3/14 - Personal Reflection (Plato)

A time that I was told that something was true and really wasn’t was when my parents told me that when my teeth falls off to put them under my pillow and the tooth fairy would come and take my tooth and give me money for them. One day I lost one of my teeth and I put it under my pillow with out telling my parents and the next day my tooth was still there. I ran to my mom and dad and told them to go call the tooth fairy and tell he to come get my tooth and I guess my parents didn’t wont to deal with me so that was the day they told me. I didn’t really have a big reaction I just started to charge my parents for my teeth.

Iliad Reading 3/1

1. What does Patroclus propose to Achilles and what is Achilles’ response? Why does Achilles grant Patroclus’ request?

Patroclus ask Achilles to fight. Achilles told him that he can fight but he has to wear his armor so the troyens can think its Achilles so mothing will happen to him.

2. On p. 413 line 35 (approximately), Patroclus tells Achilles that Achilles is “cursed in [his] own courage.” What does Patroclus mean by that and do you agree with him?

What Patroclus ment was that the way that Achilles is acting is thw thing to his downfall.

3. Either ask questions about the text or write down vocab words from the text with definitions.

Why does Achilles let Patroclus go to battal?